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action by the government and when you look at the biggest issue that we face of this era, it's the deficit. it's the trillion dollars of debt and the president didn't really talk about that. he talked about, we're not a nation of takers but that we've become a nation of debtors. >> the president clearly is a smart man, a smart politician. he's also a writer, a thoughtful person. if that is the speech, if the speech as ari described, why would he decide to give that speech? what's the political goal? >> this is the last time he's getting sworn in as president of the united states. that's why. i think it's martin luther king day. martin luther king was courageous. martin made this point earlier that perhaps the president had some sense of guilt about not doing gun control and that it took newtown to get him to do that and so this is the speech you get to give once and i think there may have been a sense he wanted to be aggressive because he could and because he had to set out what he believes he said, i'm not going to get all of it, don't let the perfect -- nothing can be perfect. but i do b
action by the government and when you look at the biggest issue that we face of this era, it's the deficit. it's the trillion dollars of debt and the president didn't really talk about that. he talked about, we're not a nation of takers but that we've become a nation of debtors. >> the president clearly is a smart man, a smart politician. he's also a writer, a thoughtful person. if that is the speech, if the speech as ari described, why would he decide to give that speech? what's the...
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. >> the debt ceiling was raised in august the political fight in the spot lighted on the deficit and debt problems less s&p to downgrade the u.s. credit rating for the first time in history. >> geithner steered the major economic moves in the first term and now he is stepping down. president obama's pick to replace him is jack lew, who has established a close relationship with the president. lew is not is chummy with republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation back in 2011. for that reason and others, his confirmation hearing could be bumpy. if confirmed, he will be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the country's long term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple with the budget woes, with the economy that cannot get over the hump. it will consume most of his time, i believe, in the second term. >> what he cannot do going into the term is go from economic crisis to economic crisis. that is not leadership. he has to figure out how to address this in ay way. our health care reform cannot
. >> the debt ceiling was raised in august the political fight in the spot lighted on the deficit and debt problems less s&p to downgrade the u.s. credit rating for the first time in history. >> geithner steered the major economic moves in the first term and now he is stepping down. president obama's pick to replace him is jack lew, who has established a close relationship with the president. lew is not is chummy with republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation...
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you put me back in i'm going to focus on immigration, energy, i'm going to focus on this god awful deficit and debt we have. those seemed to be the three long-term things he was playing for and then newton happened and like every parent, like every american, his heart was broken and he has taken this incredibly politically difficult and divisive issue of gun safety and put it ahead i think of debt and deficit, immigration and energy. he had to respond to what happened and people right now are judging that response. >> there's a blueprint. certainly there's a blueprint and they're working on the blueprint. plans on how they'll pursue gun control and plans on how they'll pursue immigration. massive rollouts in the next few weeks. marco rubio seasoning the house for possible transformative legislation. >> 2016 happened right here right now. >> and she wasn't even the first. >> wasn't even the first. margaret and paul, thank you for joining us to talk ability these fascinating issues. >> and when we return, a sneak peek at tomorrow's parade route and security measures in place around the capit
you put me back in i'm going to focus on immigration, energy, i'm going to focus on this god awful deficit and debt we have. those seemed to be the three long-term things he was playing for and then newton happened and like every parent, like every american, his heart was broken and he has taken this incredibly politically difficult and divisive issue of gun safety and put it ahead i think of debt and deficit, immigration and energy. he had to respond to what happened and people right now are...
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, or cut the deficit, at least. the president doesn't seem to be on that same page. >> yeah. look. republicans in the house and in the senate, for that matter, and the president i think so fundamentally disagree on the major issues of the day. i mean, so much so that i think common ground is very hard for them to find and will continue to be hard for them to find. the key thing to look for, john, and what people want to try to figure out, are things going to be different over the next two or four years, or do they at least start to show signs of wanting to negotiate deals where both sides are allowed to win? we have not seen that, whether you want to blame the president, whether you want to blame republicans. you just haven't seen that. they don't like each other. they don't get along well. there are no relationships there whatsoever, and that's why i'm skeptical that things will be different. and again, it kind of goes to the core of what they believe. they just don't agree on anything. i'd be shocked if they agree
, or cut the deficit, at least. the president doesn't seem to be on that same page. >> yeah. look. republicans in the house and in the senate, for that matter, and the president i think so fundamentally disagree on the major issues of the day. i mean, so much so that i think common ground is very hard for them to find and will continue to be hard for them to find. the key thing to look for, john, and what people want to try to figure out, are things going to be different over the next two...
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there's vast support out there for balanced deficit reduction investments in education and manufacturing, immigration reform, gun safety. so on the issues the president intends to really push and focus on, there's massive support in the country even among republicans. let's not lose sight of that, and that's why we're going to do a better job in the second term-- while we're going to do all we can to work with congress and negotiate, to also make sure the american people are connected to what's going on here. i think to really get the kind of change here in washington the american people are going to demand it. but there is really, i think consensus around eye lot of the issues around the country >> what about the idea the republicans have said they will go along with the three-month extension on the debt ceiling increase? are you going to be-- does that help? >> well, it's helpful that they have now dropped their demand, that the only way they're going to pay the country's billes, they themselves racked up, would be to extract some concessions. we've got to never again have this threat
there's vast support out there for balanced deficit reduction investments in education and manufacturing, immigration reform, gun safety. so on the issues the president intends to really push and focus on, there's massive support in the country even among republicans. let's not lose sight of that, and that's why we're going to do a better job in the second term-- while we're going to do all we can to work with congress and negotiate, to also make sure the american people are connected to what's...
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taxes, spending, deficits, gun control, immigration. a lot to do and not a great environment to get it done. but with us now, two men who may not have to worry too much about that, but who may give us great insights if possible to get great things done. barney frank, the former democratic congressman from massachusetts and steve latourette, republican from ohio. first to you, congressman, as the democrat, what does the president have to do differently in the second term to have a more cooperative, working environment. to you, sir, what does the republican party need to do to try to get some things done? >> i have to differ with the preface, john. >> i thought you might. >> barack obama -- look, this notion that partisanship has taken over. it began when barack obama became president. i was chairman of the financial service committee of 2007 in the bush administration and i worked very closely with hank paulson, secretary of the treasury. we worked on putting fannie mae and freddie mac to stop the lawsuits. george bush went to harry reid
taxes, spending, deficits, gun control, immigration. a lot to do and not a great environment to get it done. but with us now, two men who may not have to worry too much about that, but who may give us great insights if possible to get great things done. barney frank, the former democratic congressman from massachusetts and steve latourette, republican from ohio. first to you, congressman, as the democrat, what does the president have to do differently in the second term to have a more...
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i think a lot of what they complain about with respect to us, for example, our large fiscal deficits, one example, i think it would be in our interest to deal with. similarly, a lot of what we complain about with respect to them, their export-driven strategy, the absence of domestic demand, it's critically important for their own self-interest if they're going to have sustainable growth going forward to deal with that issue. so i think we have a common self-interest in dealing with many of the issues that we complain to each other about. >> what should be the core elements of a u.s.-china relationship going forward? >> the core elements of a cooperative u.s.-chinese partnership is in many respects in the communique issued in january 2011 by presidents obama and hu jintao of china, went to great lengths in itemizing and developing several areas to be cooperating because it sets a framework, a framework in which the word partnership is really given meaning and a framework for something unprecedented in the history of human affairs, namely, when two major powers arise, they almost never
i think a lot of what they complain about with respect to us, for example, our large fiscal deficits, one example, i think it would be in our interest to deal with. similarly, a lot of what we complain about with respect to them, their export-driven strategy, the absence of domestic demand, it's critically important for their own self-interest if they're going to have sustainable growth going forward to deal with that issue. so i think we have a common self-interest in dealing with many of the...
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the budget hasn't been balanced in multiyears and the deficit is over a trillion dollars . every man, woman and child. i had my fifth grandchild and that baby was born with $50,000 worth of debt if we were to pay it off today. every man and woman and child has that worth of debt. that is uncon69able and we have to stop kicking the can down the road and we have to solve the problem and do whatever it takes to get us back on the fiscal path again. >> i want to talk about it now you come back and see a different thing. what is the biggest difference you are seeing coming back the second time? >> we passed a lot more rules on ourselves. we reduced our budget and exact opposite is happening to our government. it is gone crazy with regulation and restriction, but the part that is most alarmming is the amount of money that we are print one day will explode. we can't continue to print money. we have fancy names for it. it is quantitative easing and it is really printing money. wrim bay way has a trillion dollar note and you buy a loaf of bread everybody is happily singing . we will
the budget hasn't been balanced in multiyears and the deficit is over a trillion dollars . every man, woman and child. i had my fifth grandchild and that baby was born with $50,000 worth of debt if we were to pay it off today. every man and woman and child has that worth of debt. that is uncon69able and we have to stop kicking the can down the road and we have to solve the problem and do whatever it takes to get us back on the fiscal path again. >> i want to talk about it now you come...
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so if you are trully a deficit buster, you will be for it. not going to happen. >> i will argue the mathematics. morgan we knew we would inch our way into it. isn't that happening? that obama care we saw passed a couple of years ago is the beginning of full-blown government take over. >> it is unlikely that the public option will happen. i will jump on the idea of funky mathematics for a second. this 100 billion plus number that is thrown around is from a cvo report . then in 2010, the number was 68 billion dollars . yeah, two different programs and that is a big issue with the public option. there is so many ifs and whether it would make money or lose money and whether subsidies would be involved. >> mike, when government takes something over, doesn't it get more expensive and burrcratic than it was in the private sector? >> this is what happened with other countries that tried universal health care. canada, you can wait for a year for knee surgery . go to amtrak run by the government they are bankrupt without a big subsidy . you look at oba
so if you are trully a deficit buster, you will be for it. not going to happen. >> i will argue the mathematics. morgan we knew we would inch our way into it. isn't that happening? that obama care we saw passed a couple of years ago is the beginning of full-blown government take over. >> it is unlikely that the public option will happen. i will jump on the idea of funky mathematics for a second. this 100 billion plus number that is thrown around is from a cvo report . then in 2010,...
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he is going to have to talk about more deficit reduction. they will do a will little partying this weekend they real lives it's right back to work, bill. >> word of a solution to prevent the united states from defaultingen its debt. the house majority leader eric cantor saying that lawmakers will vote next week on a short-term plan to let the government borrow more money effectively raising the debt ceiling. the deal not all worked out just yet. but apparently it this will not require the spending cuts that house republicans had wanted. just released fox news poll finds that 69% favor raising the debt limit only if there are major spending cuts involved. and 23% say it's reckless not to raise it regardless. the poll also shows more than 8 in 10 think government spending is out of control. only 11% believes it's being managed carefully. mike immanuel tracking developments on the hill tonight. what's behind this house republican plan. >> bill, a lot of g.o.p. frustration has been based on the fact the senate has not passed a budget. so republi
he is going to have to talk about more deficit reduction. they will do a will little partying this weekend they real lives it's right back to work, bill. >> word of a solution to prevent the united states from defaultingen its debt. the house majority leader eric cantor saying that lawmakers will vote next week on a short-term plan to let the government borrow more money effectively raising the debt ceiling. the deal not all worked out just yet. but apparently it this will not require the...
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pressing problems or americans in this country, you know, chief among them the economy, the budget deficit for crying out loud. a dysfunctional government. in have to go to -- 4%. what in the world is going on in that town? >> not the first time there were talking about things that the rest of the country does not care about as much. interesting. this poll comes out with 71 percent of americans believing these new laws are unlikely to actually prevent future mass shootings, and then there was a washington post-abc poll earlier this week that found 55 percent of americans believe that the most effective way or one of the most effective ways to stop these things is to have armed guards and schools. much more in line with what the nra was proposing. people are skeptical of new laws, and i think they're right to be. if there are going to be new measures undertaken, they want to do things that are not what the white house is proposing right now. lou: there is a dishonesty in this initiative that i find appalling. this president reacted skeptically to the proposal by the nra to put armed guards
pressing problems or americans in this country, you know, chief among them the economy, the budget deficit for crying out loud. a dysfunctional government. in have to go to -- 4%. what in the world is going on in that town? >> not the first time there were talking about things that the rest of the country does not care about as much. interesting. this poll comes out with 71 percent of americans believing these new laws are unlikely to actually prevent future mass shootings, and then there...
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he has said, the president remains committed to further reducing the deficit in a balanced way. so that is the response from the white house after the gop at its retreat in virginia came out with the possibility that perhaps we could extend the debt limit for another three months but the senate has to pass a budget, so the republicans which it has not done in four years. so. tracy: no surprise from the white us house. ashley: says no. tracy: okay, then. how about this. hank paulson says he hates the debt limit. you remember the former treasury secretary, the guy who said i need $700 billion right now? no wonder he hates it. ashley: don't we all. tracy: he has given a rare interview. we have details on that next. ashley: first a look at today's winners and losers. the dow just above the water mark. take a look. we'll be right back. ♪ chances are you've become, a better driver over the years. and one company thinks your auto insurance rates should get better too. presenting the aarp auto insurance program from the hartford. i'm a good driver. have been for years. it just makes s
he has said, the president remains committed to further reducing the deficit in a balanced way. so that is the response from the white house after the gop at its retreat in virginia came out with the possibility that perhaps we could extend the debt limit for another three months but the senate has to pass a budget, so the republicans which it has not done in four years. so. tracy: no surprise from the white us house. ashley: says no. tracy: okay, then. how about this. hank paulson says he...
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i didn't think it went far enough with regard to deficit reduction. i didn't think it went far enough with regard to entitlements. so i was a no vote, and i walked into the house that night and the republicans were high-fiving saying they don't have the votes and the democrats were figuring out how they could switch their votes and i said wait a minute, we came in with this president in '92, it was the largest class of women, there were 21 new women, 24 democrats. and the president was on the phone, and he said what would it take? and i said a serious discussion about entitlements, further cuts, and i'll only be your last vote because there had only been two -- in the house as you know, a tie vote goes down. >> sure. >> so i said i'd only be your 218th vote and there had been two votes i knew like this in history. one for the impeachment of andrew johnson and the other one for the draft. >> so -- >> and i said -- and they needed me. but i represented the most -- >> the president needed you, correct? >> correct. >> and the president right now needs dem
i didn't think it went far enough with regard to deficit reduction. i didn't think it went far enough with regard to entitlements. so i was a no vote, and i walked into the house that night and the republicans were high-fiving saying they don't have the votes and the democrats were figuring out how they could switch their votes and i said wait a minute, we came in with this president in '92, it was the largest class of women, there were 21 new women, 24 democrats. and the president was on the...
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you were talking about debt and deficit and government spending 15, 20 years ago when nobody was that much focused on it in washington, but now they really are. here is a chance for you to take all you learned, what you learned on the way up, on the way down, in congress, in the governorship, and apply it to what is really the debate of our times. if you look, we're having a new fiscal crisis it seems every couple months. we had the debt ceiling, the fiscal crisis, and that's really the tip of the iceberg that is coming our way based on unbelievable demographics and unbelievably unsustainable government spending. what i want to do is take what i learned and hopefully apply it to again a great conundrum that now exists in washington, which is how do we get our financial house in order? >> i wish you all the very best. thank you for joining me again tonight. it's a pleasure to talk to you as it was last time. i genuinely wish you well. i'm glad you're making another go at this. good luck with it. >> i appreciate it, thanks. >>> a critic who says newtown changed everything, but the nra d
you were talking about debt and deficit and government spending 15, 20 years ago when nobody was that much focused on it in washington, but now they really are. here is a chance for you to take all you learned, what you learned on the way up, on the way down, in congress, in the governorship, and apply it to what is really the debate of our times. if you look, we're having a new fiscal crisis it seems every couple months. we had the debt ceiling, the fiscal crisis, and that's really the tip of...
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that's $1.3 trillion deficit. you know, if the republicans want to save their house majority, they'd better cut spending like there's no tomorrow. we'll have a little debate on our budget priorities next up. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals. fiber one. uh, forgot jack's cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one! yeah, this is pretty good. [ male announcer ] over a third of aer. fiber one. >>> welcome back. >>> welcome back. house budget committee chairman paul ryan announced today that republicans are putting a short-term debt ceiling hike on the table. short-term debt ceiling hike. but here's what i'm not hearing and what we should be hearing is an unambiguous plan to splash spending now. republicans need an absolute rock solid plan to implement the sequester which is $1.2 trillion over the next ten years. this is essential. not just to unite the republican conference. but more importantly, it's essential to helping the economy grow more rapidly. and if the republicans don't get it d
that's $1.3 trillion deficit. you know, if the republicans want to save their house majority, they'd better cut spending like there's no tomorrow. we'll have a little debate on our budget priorities next up. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals. fiber one. uh, forgot jack's cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one! yeah, this is pretty good. [ male announcer ] over a third of aer. fiber one. >>> welcome back. >>> welcome back. house budget committee...
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cutting the deficit. and oh, yeah, lowering unemployment. make no mistake about it. it's ambitious. but the president is entering his second term with a job approval among the highest since the early months of his presidency. his favorability rating has jumped nine point ins the last three months. at the very same time, the other side is fractured. destroying themselves. they're even threatening impeachment over the issue. we want all tools available to use including impeachment. >> could that build up to make a case for possible impeachment. >> all options should be on the table, undoubtly. >> and if that weren't enough, they're back. that's right, the birther brigade is stronger than ever. 64% of americans think president obama is hiding important information about his early life. 64%. no wonder the gop is going off the deep end. and no wonder the president is looking better than ever joining me now, jonathan kapart. thanks for coming on the show tonight. >> 64% is questioned about the president's early life. how do you explain that? well, look. 64% questioning the president's ear
cutting the deficit. and oh, yeah, lowering unemployment. make no mistake about it. it's ambitious. but the president is entering his second term with a job approval among the highest since the early months of his presidency. his favorability rating has jumped nine point ins the last three months. at the very same time, the other side is fractured. destroying themselves. they're even threatening impeachment over the issue. we want all tools available to use including impeachment. >> could...
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>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact right now, i think the crisis we have right now is a jobs crisis. i think it's an income inequality crisis in our country. i think there's an investment crisis. we don't talk enough, neil, about the third leg of debt reduction, which is not only spending, not only raising revenue, but growth in the economy. and you know? this debt ceiling issue is just crazy. i stand -- >> was it crazy seven years ago when your democratic colleague voted against raising it? was it crazy then? >> well, except it wasn't real and this is real. the last final -- >> real is in the eye of the beholder. >> no, no. >> i guess it's -- >> it was more -
>> let me just say that the president has already sign into law about $2.4 trillion worth of deficit reduction and three-quarters of that -- >> wars we stopped fighting, already factored in. >> a bunch of that is for spending cuts. not necessarily spending cults i really -- cuts i like but spending cuts nonetheless. >> you disagree with him when he says we don't have a spending problem? >> no. i think we do have certain things we can cut in spending, but in fact...
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it will reduce the deficit. obama care has brought the number of uninsured americans to the lowest level since 2008. however, the law would be fully implemented until 2014. it would put pressure on all insurers to lower their premiums in order to compete. it would also provide immediate relief to small businesses and the federal government and all parts of the economy. for example, former defense secretary robert gates has warned the rising -- he has warned of rising military health care costs for years. >> sharply rising health care costs are consuming an ever-larger share of this department. growing from 19 billion in 2001. >> military health care costs have gone up 300% in the past decade. 2012 was the first year since 1995 military personnel saw an increase in health care premiums. now, there are two things republicans love, the military and reducing the deficit. republican should be thrilled with the public option. how can you make a hundred billion dollar mistake? who's doing the math? will it save or won'
it will reduce the deficit. obama care has brought the number of uninsured americans to the lowest level since 2008. however, the law would be fully implemented until 2014. it would put pressure on all insurers to lower their premiums in order to compete. it would also provide immediate relief to small businesses and the federal government and all parts of the economy. for example, former defense secretary robert gates has warned the rising -- he has warned of rising military health care costs...
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that's the deficit. the accumulated annual deficits or shortfalls plus interest make up the national debt. that's more than $16 trillion today. the debt had run up under republican and democratic presidents and congresses. both have had opportunities to tackle it, but it's never politically palatable. president obama formed this simpson/bowles commission, headed by simpson and erskin bowles to cut the debt by $4 trillion over 10 years. critics say president obama has all but ignored it. commission co-head simpson says the growing threat poses a major threat to the u.s. economy. >> where is the tipping point? i don't know where it is, but when it comes, going to be so swift and so savage. >> reporter: obama's plan proposes $360 billion in cuts to medicaid, medicare and other health programs over the next decade. but because costs in those programs are rising fast, the debt would be $6.4 trillion higher in 10 years. the president's budget also proposes cuts to discretionary and mandatory spending that woul
that's the deficit. the accumulated annual deficits or shortfalls plus interest make up the national debt. that's more than $16 trillion today. the debt had run up under republican and democratic presidents and congresses. both have had opportunities to tackle it, but it's never politically palatable. president obama formed this simpson/bowles commission, headed by simpson and erskin bowles to cut the debt by $4 trillion over 10 years. critics say president obama has all but ignored it....
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fitch a riley, fundamental credit strengths are eroded by large studily declining structure budget deficit, and high and rising public debt. what fitch is not saying, but almost screaming is, the washington sons of fitches are doing not about it, they screamed it. after the cliff, get ready for the crash. i'm not surprised we could still be cut. i'm surprised that fitch has not already done so, john campbell said that triple a rated countries do not we behave this way. i'm surprised it has not already happened. what do you think? >> i know, i just, you know there isal this talk if we get into a big fight over trying to reduce entitlements and making a long-term solution to this, that fitch or some rating agencies may cut our credit rating at this point. if that is what they are doing, they have it backwards. what they should do is they should look at reducing our credit rating, if we don't -- if we don't make some significant change in long temp problem, otherwise we'll surpass italy, and greece and spain and japan. that is what hey should be talking about. not just about this fight we're
fitch a riley, fundamental credit strengths are eroded by large studily declining structure budget deficit, and high and rising public debt. what fitch is not saying, but almost screaming is, the washington sons of fitches are doing not about it, they screamed it. after the cliff, get ready for the crash. i'm not surprised we could still be cut. i'm surprised that fitch has not already done so, john campbell said that triple a rated countries do not we behave this way. i'm surprised it has not...
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fiscal cliff, deficit, every single issue. the president's bills never go on the floor of the senate. there are bills that mcconnell agrees to before they reach the floor. because otherwise they can't proceed. one of these reforms that senator merkley talked about is just no more motion to proceed. the majority leader can put a bill on the floor. this is out of control. >> now, let me show you your union's advertising campaign against the filibuster. and let me just show you that first. then i want to ask a question. >> as climate change threatens the world we leave to our children and good u.s. jobs move overseas, time in the senate ticks by. it keeps ticking by with no results. because the system is broken. but we can fix it. and make the senate work for us again. >> people are stunned when they find out it was not majority vote. that one senator can just stop the process. is it your hope and the hope of cwa that when you do ads like this that the public will put pressure on their senators to reform this and just make it fai
fiscal cliff, deficit, every single issue. the president's bills never go on the floor of the senate. there are bills that mcconnell agrees to before they reach the floor. because otherwise they can't proceed. one of these reforms that senator merkley talked about is just no more motion to proceed. the majority leader can put a bill on the floor. this is out of control. >> now, let me show you your union's advertising campaign against the filibuster. and let me just show you that first....
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in the abbe sense of medium term deficit reduction plan consistent with sustaining the economic recovery and restoring confidence in the long run, sustainability of the u.s. publicbe finances the current negative outlook on triple-a rating is likely to be resolved with a downgrade later this year. even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. steve? >> of course it is. we are added to the debt at unprecedented pace. of course, the agencies that exist to provide ratings on our debt are going to tell us that we will be downgraded. you have to have a discussion in the broader context. this is why the things are different when you talk about $17 billion in this particular mulvaney amendment. it is not a ton of number. in the context of $1.2 trillion debt. but you to have the discussions about the $17 billion. it's not out of line to suggest that a 1.6%be off-set is reasonable. >> bret: i will say one thing aboutbe the debt ceiling debate quickly. president obama yesterday and then jay carney back in 2011 two different takes but the same message. >> congressional republicans refuse to pay a
in the abbe sense of medium term deficit reduction plan consistent with sustaining the economic recovery and restoring confidence in the long run, sustainability of the u.s. publicbe finances the current negative outlook on triple-a rating is likely to be resolved with a downgrade later this year. even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. steve? >> of course it is. we are added to the debt at unprecedented pace. of course, the agencies that exist to provide ratings on our debt are...
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melissa: we're adding trillions every year to our deficit. what do you think, stephen, does that get us there? >> 1.2 trillion is this year's deficit. that doesn't solve the long-term problem. the thing we haven't had from this president in my view is serious proposal for structural entitlement reform on the order of something like the ryan budget that republicans offered. took a lot of grief for. something that would change the trajectory of our debt. things we've had from this president wouldn't do that. they might take a chunk here, take a chunk there but they don't change the overall debt picture and certainly don't change the trajectory. melissa: stephen, susan, stick around. we have a lot more on the other side of this break. like ben bernanke saying time to ditch the debt ceiling all together. is it as silly as he says it is? we'll debate that. more "money" ahead what are you doing? nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money
melissa: we're adding trillions every year to our deficit. what do you think, stephen, does that get us there? >> 1.2 trillion is this year's deficit. that doesn't solve the long-term problem. the thing we haven't had from this president in my view is serious proposal for structural entitlement reform on the order of something like the ryan budget that republicans offered. took a lot of grief for. something that would change the trajectory of our debt. things we've had from this president...
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president obama has racked up more spending, $1 trillion deficits. and it's time that he join us in this effort to get our fiscal house in order. what is a drag on the economy is the spending. that is what is hurting hard-working taxpayer right now. and so we need him to join us in this effort. >> at the end of the day, this is going to be a question about public opinion. what makes you think talking about not raising the debt ceiling or shutting down the government, what have you, is a winner in the court of public opinion? >> well, again, we don't want to shut down the government, but in the court of public opinion, people also know that the federal government and the out of control spending is unsustainable. and large majorities of the american people want us to cut spending, to start making the tough decisions, to balance our budgets, start living within our means. the american people, in their own families, they understand that you have to do that. you have to make the tough decisions. you have to get your budget, you've got to put it in order.
president obama has racked up more spending, $1 trillion deficits. and it's time that he join us in this effort to get our fiscal house in order. what is a drag on the economy is the spending. that is what is hurting hard-working taxpayer right now. and so we need him to join us in this effort. >> at the end of the day, this is going to be a question about public opinion. what makes you think talking about not raising the debt ceiling or shutting down the government, what have you, is a...
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the always colorful senator alan simpson is with us, no bigger advocate of getting america's debt and deficit under control, but does he think the debt ceiling is the leverage that republicans should use to get that done? he'll join us exclusively, and i know you're going to ask him about that. >> absolutely. >> let's check out the action on the street right here. here's how things are shaping up with less than an hour to go. the dow jones industrial average hitting basically at the highs of the day. had been down around 60 points earlier. talking about a gain of 20 points on the blue chip average. fractional move at 13,527. nasdaq chart pattern looks similar. take a look though it's negative. down about nine points on the nasdaq, a quarter points lower and the s&p 500 looks like this. similar chart pattern as the dow up a fraction on the standard & poor's but still that's the high of the afternoon. let's get more on the markets in today's "closing bell" exchange by hank smith and steve from comcast funds and our own rick santelli. >> hello. >> good to see you guys. >> thank you so much for j
the always colorful senator alan simpson is with us, no bigger advocate of getting america's debt and deficit under control, but does he think the debt ceiling is the leverage that republicans should use to get that done? he'll join us exclusively, and i know you're going to ask him about that. >> absolutely. >> let's check out the action on the street right here. here's how things are shaping up with less than an hour to go. the dow jones industrial average hitting basically at the...
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that is if congress doesn't come up with what it calls a credible medium term deficit reduction plan. understand that fitch is not just looking for an 11th hour debt ceiling deal that sets the table for another mini crisis down the road. the federal government hit the debt limit as you know on december 31st. the treasury is using so-called extraordinary measures to pay its bills through mid-february or early march. now, fitch predicts washington will extend the debt ceiling despite the current war of words between president obama and republicans in congress. what happens if we get downgraded? it happened before. remember 2011, when standard & poor's did it. that hit markets and the wider economy hard, but it didn't cause interest rates to increase. this time could be different, however, because the rest of the world is getting its act together. even successful businesses like ford are worried. here's what ceo alan mulally told me today. >> i think the most important thing to your point is that we come together around a solution that allows us to live within our means, to reduce our bu
that is if congress doesn't come up with what it calls a credible medium term deficit reduction plan. understand that fitch is not just looking for an 11th hour debt ceiling deal that sets the table for another mini crisis down the road. the federal government hit the debt limit as you know on december 31st. the treasury is using so-called extraordinary measures to pay its bills through mid-february or early march. now, fitch predicts washington will extend the debt ceiling despite the current...
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we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of not wanting to take care of old people or poor people or feeding poor children, i think everybody believes we should. it's how and what extent and in what way can we afford it. bottom line, i thought the president's tone was unfortunate. he did it in the press conference right after the election, and i think that ultimately, it does the american people a disservice. >> kirsten, you read some the left wing pundits and they've had it with president obama in their view bending in these discussions with the left. they think, you know, he extended the bush tax cuts a couple
we have clear issues, as pat was alluding to, with the debt and the deficit. they're not solved and the debt ceiling, while it's an important hurdle and i don't want to default and i think the president is substantively is right, we can't be a totally polarized nation and nor can we pit one against the other and is sub zero see site. president clinton got a deal with newt gingrich, a different philosophy, he reached out across the aisle. we have to deal with entitlements, it's not a question of...
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and from here he says he will discuss deficit reduction, perhaps, modest changes to health care spending, so long as it is included with cushing or cutting loopholes in the tax system but that is something he says is an entirely separate debate. here we are having debate where one of the sides wants a debate and the other is trying to figure out their opening offer. that happens over the next few days. back to you. lori: the tick-tock, rich, grinding along on this. i guess no one should be surprised at this point. tracy: yeah, really. for more on the debt debate, will house republicans decide to use the debt ceiling as leverage for spending cuts? we have to bring in gerry seib, "wall street journal" washington bureau chief. gerry, i'm glad you're here. you know what is going on. where are the gop as far as the debt ceiling goes? >> i wish i knew. and i would be happy to tell you if i did but i think there's a choice to be made here. i think they're coming up on a discussion point as you mentioned. retreat later this weekend maybe they will have to decide what the strategy is here. i thin
and from here he says he will discuss deficit reduction, perhaps, modest changes to health care spending, so long as it is included with cushing or cutting loopholes in the tax system but that is something he says is an entirely separate debate. here we are having debate where one of the sides wants a debate and the other is trying to figure out their opening offer. that happens over the next few days. back to you. lori: the tick-tock, rich, grinding along on this. i guess no one should be...
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if they're so into cutting the deficit and they think spend issing the problem, show it off. let's see what you got. they don't want to do it. >> what i don't understand about this is why if you believe that ultimately they're going to have to cave, why don't we just let them cave? why do we need to create all of these other sort of -- as i said wack-a-do arrangements so this can happen? >> it's all leverage, right? if the sequester, that deal is not great for the republicans or that battle is not great for them because that disproportionately hurts republican industries, which is to say the defense industry, which is not to say that there aren't plenty of democrats whose bread is not being buttered by defense contractors, but if you look down at the breakdown of sequester cuts, defense gets hit with $55 billion in cuts, but they are much more severe, and as dave wood from the huffington post has said, it's like taking a meat clever to the defense industry. the nondefense cuts, 55 billion, same amount, but social security, retirement, veterans medicaid, snap, food stamps and
if they're so into cutting the deficit and they think spend issing the problem, show it off. let's see what you got. they don't want to do it. >> what i don't understand about this is why if you believe that ultimately they're going to have to cave, why don't we just let them cave? why do we need to create all of these other sort of -- as i said wack-a-do arrangements so this can happen? >> it's all leverage, right? if the sequester, that deal is not great for the republicans or...
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it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> the metaphors, jim, whether it's a family not paying the credit card bills, the president saying it's like dining and dashing at a restaurant, the only thing is we've got two weeks of respite and then we're off to the races again. >> after the civil war, there was tremendous partisanship in this country. a tumultuous time. the level of bipartisanship. there's such hatred that you can't get in a room. it never seems like obama gets in the room. biden got in the room beforehand. but look, everybody hates each other down there. it's exactly the opposite of what you would expect from a respected nation. it makes us look mickey mouse. i don't blame fitch. look, we have to pay bills, the constitution says it, but everybody doesn't seem to care much about the
it doesn't create new deficits, it doesn't create new spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family which is trying to improve its credit rating saying, i know how we can save money, we won't pay our credit card bills. not the most effective way to improve your credit rating. >> the metaphors, jim, whether it's a family not paying the credit card bills, the president saying it's like dining and dashing at a restaurant, the only thing is we've got two weeks of respite...
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he promised to pay down the deficit at least half in his first term. the first two years of his first term he had a democratic congress house and senate. he could have done anything he wanted. instead he put through an $800 billion stimulus bill and a $1.7 trillion obama care. if he wasn't going to address it then, when is he going to address it? he is essentially holding congress hostage right now and the american people with these scare tactics. >> okay, newt gingrich addressed this whole issue on "cbs this morning" and i'll read you what he said. "it isn't a smart fight for congressional republicans to pick, because in the end, it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default, no one will allow the united states to not pay its bills, no one is going to accept the economic costs. it rallies the entire business community to the president's side." so even newt gingrich says this isn't a wise fight to pick. you may feel strongly about spending cuts but this isn't the right time to fight. >> when is the right time? when is the right time? bec
he promised to pay down the deficit at least half in his first term. the first two years of his first term he had a democratic congress house and senate. he could have done anything he wanted. instead he put through an $800 billion stimulus bill and a $1.7 trillion obama care. if he wasn't going to address it then, when is he going to address it? he is essentially holding congress hostage right now and the american people with these scare tactics. >> okay, newt gingrich addressed this...
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the problem is we deficit spend about 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we collect, we spend about 10 billion a day and that means that we deficit. we have to borrow 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we spend more than 700 million dollars a day in interest on a national debt. there are lots of things to do. the president has lots of discretion to curb back that spending to make sure that social security payments are paid, interest is paid we don't default on our debt. >> greta: you know, when he voted as a u.s. senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we
the problem is we deficit spend about 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we collect, we spend about 10 billion a day and that means that we deficit. we have to borrow 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we spend more than 700 million dollars a day in interest on a national debt. there are lots of things to do. the president has lots of discretion to curb back that spending to make sure that social security payments are paid, interest is paid we don't default on our debt. >> greta: you know, when he...
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he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that is not what polling shows. it shows people want to get spending under control. >> sean: for a brief hour the obama media which did not go do a good job from my estimation woke up and challenged him. and looked angry on hypocrisy. how would you deal with the president that is very good at politics, demonizing and pushing republicans into a corner? what is the best strategy? >> well, i agree with you it's interesting. you had reporters saying wait a minute. you said just the opposite but also said the point just made a second ago which is why are you saying it's been straight a
he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that...